![]() It’s, it’s exists along the spectrum and we all go through it, and it’s part of our leadership and how we show up. They will probably experience mental ill health and hopefully mental wellness. You know, it’s a part of life at anyone’s part of life. I don’t think that there should be any false separation between the discussion of leadership and mental health or to that matter, mental illness. ![]() But, so help me kind of work this idea that, that you’re putting those two type topics together, you know, intentionally. John Jantsch (01:41): I mean, people don’t typically think about those two things I know is the whole point of what your, what your work is about. Morra Aarons-Mele (01:38): No, we’re talking about, So leadership and mental health, uh, in the same sentence, I mean, is juxtaposed even, are we talking about a bit of an oxymoron here? But she’s back with another book we’re gonna talk about today, The Anxious Achiever: Turn Your Biggest Fears Into Your Leadership Superpower. You might recall she was on this show for one of the best titles ever Hiding in the Bathroom. She’s a host of The Anxious Achiever, a top-10 management podcast that helps people rethink the relationship between their mental health and their leadership. (00:54): Hello and welcome to another episode of the Duct Tape Marketing podcast. Listen to creative elements wherever you get your podcasts. In a recent episode, they talked with Kevin Perry about how he goes viral on every single platform. By learning how these creators make a living with their art and creativity, creative elements helps you gain the tools and confidence to do the same. Through narrative interviews, Jay Klaus explores how creators like Tim Urban James Clear, Tori Dunlap and Cody Sanchez are building their audiences today. The audio destination for business professionals creative elements goes behind the scenes with today’s top creators. It’s brought to you by the HubSpot Podcast Network. John Jantsch (00:00): This episode of the Duct Tape Marketing Podcast is brought to you by Creative Elements hosted by Jay Klaus. Do you do any work inside organizations? Where would you go to help an organization that’s trying to maybe change its culture?.Is there a real challenge cross-generationally? Many people in managerial positions who are like me age-wise, are managing much younger people.Do you think a true leader now should be coaching around mental health? Obviously not providing therapy, but somehow coaching or at least giving people opportunities to be coached?.What physical manifestations are people experiencing because they are not managing the anxiety or the stress?.Is there any of that thought in the anxious achiever? I once read that if you’re not feeling a little stress, you know, you’re just not trying or you’re not pushing yourself enough.So what’s the process that somebody might go through? You talk about transforming anxiety from a weakness to a strength.Do you feel like there is more anxiety today, and if so, what’s causing it? Or are people just more freely talking about it?.What are you bringing to the conversation, that’s gonna help people see anxiety as a strength?.So leadership and mental health in the same sentence, can you explain this idea that you’re putting those two topics together?.Morra shows that anxiety is a part of life, in fact, it is fundamental to leadership, and with the right tools, you can take advantage of its power and turn it into a strength instead of a weakness. In today’s workplace, anxiety is a constant challenge that can hinder the potential for high performance, but it doesn’t have to be that way. There should be no separation between mental health and leadership, and mental health should be normalized in the workplace. Her upcoming book is called The Anxious Achiever: Turn Your Biggest Fears into Your Leadership Superpower where the mission is to normalize anxiety and leadership in today’s workplace. She is the host of The Anxious Achiever, a top-10 management podcast that helps people rethink the relationship between their mental health and their leadership. Morra founded Women Online and The Mission List, an award-winning digital-consulting firm and influencer marketing company dedicated to social change in 2010. In this episode of the Duct Tape Marketing Podcast, I interview Morra Aarons-Mele.
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